50% More Power for 50% More Money?

"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
12/14/2016 at 15:49 • Filed to: Questions

Pick any car on sale right now. If it was offered with 50% more power, the same fuel economy, but also cost 50% more money would it be worth it? What would it take for the vehicle to be worth the new price point?

Example: CTS V-Sport, 420 hp and 430 lb-ft for $60,000. Plus 50 version becomes 630 hp and 645 lb-ft for $90,000. Still a good value?

Feel free to do the reverse as well and tell me if youd even consider the car at its new price point with half the power.

DISCUSSION (37)

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 15:52

Only if it also then revs to the moon. I’m thinking flat-pane v8.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 15:55

Hell yes. That’s what you get out of a Z06, for the same or slightly less money, but with more doors, more seats, and more luxury. Less speed, but who gives a damn when you can blow away almost anything in unbelievable comfort.

The Z06 makes even more of a bargain. 975hp/tq for (going entirely from memory) $187,500. Um, yes.

victor > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 15:55

50% more golf wagon alltrack

50% less, maybe a e63 samg wagon?

CB > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 15:56

A 402 horsepower WRX for about $45k CAD? Sure.

LongbowMkII > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 16:04

Mazda6- 184hp $20k -> 276hp $30k

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 16:06

Ram 1500 Tradesman Hemi 2WD Regular Cab 6'4" bed.

Stock power: 395 HP

Normal price: $28,965

New power: 592 HP

New Price: $43,448.

Almost 600 ponies for under $45k? How could you not take Chrysler up on this?

bob and john > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 16:08

a 300HP BMW S1000RR for 30K? HELL TO YEA

Nisman > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 16:14

Toyobaru! Currently 200HP and cost $20k. I would never buy one, but I could see spending $30k if it had 300HP.

traderQAMobileTestAutomationMobileBoostOn > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 16:15

Scat Pack: Now $60k with 730hp. Thats alarmingly close in both aspects to the Hellcat...

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 16:16

MKZ wins - absolutely wins. (also for easy math lol)

400 hp 400 torque and AWD for 42,810.

600 hp 600 torque and AWD for 64,215

Seriously, 600/600 and AWD means you get the most vicious sleeper that’s ever been.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 16:17

Kinja'd!!!

$40k goes to $60k and 365hp to 576.5

PatBateman > LongbowMkII
12/14/2016 at 16:18

Mmmmaybe.

Arrivederci > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 16:20

New Mustang GT - $32,990 with 435hp.

Upgraded Mustang GT - $49380 with 652hp.

Sure, why not. However, remember you can get that 727hp Mustang for $40k, lol. If you think about that one:

Lebanon Ford Mustang GT - $40,000 with 727hp

Upgraded Lebanon Ford Mustang GT - $60,000 with 1090hp.

Sold.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
12/14/2016 at 16:33

A Z06 for $190k making 1000hp would be a rip off. Anything in the aftermarket could do it for less than 50% of the MSRP.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
12/14/2016 at 16:39

...so you can make 1000hp for cheap and set up a beautifully handling chassis. So what? Check up on 911's, Ferrarri’s, Lambo Pagani Bugatti etc. 190k for an off the shelf car (which is what is under discussion) with 1000hp is dirt cheap.

for Michigan > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 16:41

2017 Mazda3 Touring 2.5 6-Speed

25 / 33 / 28 mpg

3,046 lbs

Stock / 150%

184 HP / 276 HP

185 lb-ft / 278 lb-ft

$22,395 / $33,593

Stepping up to the GT would add real leather for $35,843 and all the fancy stuff (LED lights, nav, heated steering wheel, adaptive cruise, etc.) for $41,145.

That puts it in direct competition with A3 and CLA (2 Series is definitely too much of a sports car to fit into this group), and I have to say, I think it holds up pretty well. It’s easily more attractive and powerful than the Audi or the Benz and has similar creature comforts.

for Michigan > LongbowMkII
12/14/2016 at 16:56

Sport: $32,918

Touring: $36,293

GT: $46,043

That puts it squarely against the A4, C-class, and 3-series, but making an extra 20-some HP.

Die-Trying > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 17:06

i think that i would take you up on the 50% off deal. i live down a winding country road, and so long as the car could still corner, id be down.mustang 5.0 34k-ish to begin with so half off right? 17k? 435 horse, down to 220........ in a manual.........AND able to drive flat out more of the time through the corners. win win........

for Michigan > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
12/14/2016 at 17:06

I’m seeing $75,989 as the base price on the configurator, which means you’re looking at $113,984 for 975 HP / 975 lb-ft.

So 975 HP for $114K.

Damn.

for Michigan > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
12/14/2016 at 17:06

It’s actually $114K.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > for Michigan
12/14/2016 at 17:22

I was thinking 125k for a specced to the max model. So yeah, 1000hp for 114k? Absofreakinglutely.

Saracen > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 17:25

GTI: $25k, 220bhp => $37.5k, 330bhp.

Not worth it, too much power for FWD.

Golf R = AWD, $39k, 290bhp, tons more features, bigger brakes and DCC. Much better.

IanZ - limited-slip indifferential > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 17:31

That deep amethyst metallic CTS is amazing!

for Michigan > Nisman
12/14/2016 at 17:32

Toyobarus are $26-30K, not $20K.

But I would absolutely take a Performance Pack BRZ with 308 HP for $45K.

Die-Trying > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 17:36

found one even BETTER, THE chevy spark. absolute base model goes for $13500, and has..........98 hp. taking the half off deal, thats ALMOST 50 hp, at $6750..... once again, corners here we come.. can almost afford this thing cash, if i dig around in the couch cushions.......

Kinja'd!!!

Nisman > for Michigan
12/14/2016 at 17:37

What a fucking rip. I don’t know why I thought they were cheaper.

for Michigan > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 17:38

2017 Mustang GT Premium Performance Pack w/ Recaros

435 hp / 218 HP

400 lb-ft / 200 lb-ft

$45,045 / $22,523

Sign me up.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > for Michigan
12/14/2016 at 18:09

Good catch.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
12/14/2016 at 18:59

Except it’s pretty well stated by now that the chassis isn’t that beautiful when tied to even the stock 650hp. So that would make it worse.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Die-Trying
12/14/2016 at 19:39

The hilarious part is going the other way is essentially a what a Cruze hatch is in price and power

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Saracen
12/14/2016 at 19:44

Golf R- 435hp, $58,500k

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Wobbles the Mind
12/14/2016 at 20:07

Kinja'd!!!

$250k - 660hp

$375k - 990hp

That’s not bad for hypercar hp

Die-Trying > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
12/14/2016 at 20:07

it would be like buying a go-cart. with as underpowered as it would be you would be able to drive it as hard as possible at every opportunity. it would have about as much power as an old type 1 beetle. and when you finally did wadd it up, nothing of value is lost....

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Arrivederci
12/14/2016 at 20:09

I realize now that the Mustang GT is currently the best $/hp ratio car, that’s insane power for under $50k

Saracen > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
12/14/2016 at 20:22

Wouldn’t do it. Would rather have RS3.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Saracen
12/14/2016 at 20:36

Can’t argue with that

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
12/16/2016 at 18:51

1000hp with a factory warranty, easy to obtain replacement parts, and a massive network of techs able to repair it would 100% be worth 190k. Sure you could do the same for cheaper in the aftermarket, but you get zero warranty, your parts are going to be hard to find, if they aren’t one-offs, and only (maybe) you and the guy that built it know exactly what part is where.